RFK, Jr., has been telling us this now for quite awhile, but very few are listening, not to mention that he has been denigrated and cancelled so much that few know he's out there. But the data he describes are pretty clear; before mass vaccination of children, the U.S. had the healthiest kids on the planet. Now we have some of the sickest, and the trend line skyrockets from the late 80s to the early 90s, shortly after the '86 law gave pharma blanket immunity. Before covid, kids were getting 72 doses of 18 different vaccines before 18, 72. Newborns are inoculated against hepatitis B when they're born, and the chances that they will ever come in contact with the disease are almost nil. Small wonder they're all so sick. Kids have resilient immune systems that don't need the help of vaccines, even with all the toxins in our air, water, and food.
You are quite right. The entirely unvaccinated (across 48 states) are exposed to the same other crap that hurts us all. However, your risk of even any mild health conditions drops down to about 2.64% if you avoid all vaccines, K-shot, and/or pregnancy vaccine exposure.
The study also exposed how much worse your health is (long term) if you are exposed to vaccines during pregnancy, and if you get the "vitamin" K-shot, which is also full of horrid toxins.
A recent dailymail article referring to the hotez versus RFK Jr argument over vaccines claims vaccine harms and autism have been debunked. So whatever shill “journalists” that the daily mail uses are clearly biased against the idea that vaccines are not safe.
The propaganda continues unabated. Thank God you are bringing actual evidence. All other sources make general unsubstantiated claims.
True! The CDC was recently forced to REMOVE (from their website) their false statement that vaccines do not cause autism. Not ONE of their own studies "debunked" the fact that vaccines cause autism. And the secret vaccine court has paid out TONS of $$$ based upon the fact vaccines are PROVEN to cause BRAIN DAMAGE. Even the vaccine inserts admit that these products can cause "brain inflammation" and other nervous system disorders.
Autism is BRAIN DAMAGE. It's not a personality disorder;-)
Totally agree. I honestly never heard of autism before the 2000s. I also didn’t realize that the 2 or 3 shots I received as a child have multiplied drastically. This racket is beyond shameless. I just subscribed to you today. Wish I had found you sooner.
Thanks for subscribing. I only write or post when it's something sort of big, and something not everyone else is covering anyway. My next posts will be about getting our "self-governance" in place. All of this tyranny (and state-sponsored MURDER) is a direct result of the fact we are not a self-governing people. I understand what I must do next. Godspeed, Joy
I understand, from Dr. Sam Bailey, that it is possible RFK, Jr. is becoming open to that reality. Makes sense; he's an open minded kind of guy who opened himself up to the realities of the vaccine industry and abandoned the work he really loved to do what he's doing now. He's a gem, all right; would that we could clone him and make more of him.
Only thing that stumps me is that he pushes the climate tax, (great reset) and in a recent article about rising deaths (after the vax rollout) he said some of the deaths are from "climate change" - ????
Yeah, I mean talk about someone born, raised, and fed his whole life DEMOCRAT...
Surely his entire circle of Others are Dems, and all their parents and kids are Dems, and wow, talk about having to RedPill your EVERYTHING... !!!
But I think Murkans are really really stumpy thinkers, it's EITHER Dem or Repub, that's ALL you have to choose from, we CAN'T have anything else, and blah blah blah...
The two-party system is utter and total BULLSHIT and anyone who's ever done much research at all will know that. I've been an "Independent" for decades, and I still have only TWO choices... It's all so damn stooopid... ;)
You know, undoing what we think of as "common knowledge" is not easy for most people. It IS a bridge, when we start to question, to just question EVERYTHING, which is what happened to me. And now, it's not difficult when I come across things I used to think of as "true," and now find them to be not true... I think many people like to feel that most things are "settled," as it were. I am losing that need very very quickly.
The awakening has begun. I swallowed for first big red pills back in 2001- but I did already know vaccines are bad. Just didn't know HOW bad until I did the nationwide study.
I was pink pilling for decades. The really red one was in March 2020 when I heard a doctor talking about HCQ being pulled from shelves and even DOCTORS couldn't get it... I said, WHAT?!!?!?!?!? Ding, ding, ding! And just look at me now! Having the time of my life on barely ANY money, no job since over a year ago, and... well... maybe not THE time of my life, lol. But I've become MUCH better informed. ^_^
Sorry, but we have electronic micrographs ( photographs) of viruses. The guy who came up with that idea is NOT a virologist and doesn't seem to know much about them. It's another one of those flat-earther things IMO. I'm married to a virologist with 55 yrs research under his belt and he says that anti-virus idea is nonsense and can explain and prove it. Just my 2 cents.
My own view of this is: Evidence that a particle exists, is not equivalent to evidence that this particular particle is what is causing disease. I do not think people are actually arguing that these particles do not exist. Seems they are mostly arguing there is scant evidence for these particles as cause of disease.
The strawman argument is that proof of the existence of the particle means it is what causes disease. And anyone who questions this logic is told they must b flat earthers.
For instance, we were told the CV-19 "virus" was causing disease, and that the spike protein was harmless. So let's all get injected with the spike proteins to prevent the virus.
What you're saying here is not proof of anything. It's just talking, or typing. I've heard very similar "arguments" many, many times, AND I've read articles and listened to experts, MANY experts, over the past three years, including virologists, who disagree with your opinion, with science to back them up. The isolation process in virology is a joke. That your husband is a virologist makes no difference to me, and I'm not denigrating him, but it's the same kind of brainwashing that oncologists receive... Pharma trained, pharma brained. Catchy, but I am not trying to be mean...
"Viruses" have never been photographed, and "micrographs" mean nothing at all; there are only "in silico" pictures of "viruses" and that means computer-generated. These tiny little things that are called "viruses" are far more likely to be exosomes, which are created by the BODY, and do not "attack" or come from outside the body, but are there to help the body clean up toxified cells-- like garbage trucks that carry away the trash.
Your husband is far from alone in being trained to think these exosomes are "viruses" that are long accused of being agents of disease... It's been almost 200 years of Germ Theory, but it's finally being sorted out--- one good thing about "Covid," which is simply a bioweapon-- it's patented. Your husband has 55 years of belief in something that was a deliberate mistake because of Big Pharma's laser-focused drive for SALES. The Terrain Theory is much more reasonable, and probably if he studied that with an open mind, he'd find it as exciting and fascinating as those who are studying that... There is SO MUCH we still don't know. Virology made sense in its time, to SOME. That it would be pounced upon and mandated to all students without even a mention of Terrain Theory tells me a lot about Pharmacology... and greed. And again, I'm not blaming your husband, I don't know him! I'd guess he was taken in like all the rest of those who didn't question Germ Theory. The questioners were thrown out and ridiculed. Sort of like now, with people who can't see they're being fooled by Bill Gates, et al.
Just a note - my husband is anything but brainwashed. He also has a very open mind. I've looked into Terrain theory, I know about germ theory, etc. and I see no reason why germ theory can't be true right along with terrain theory. What I find sad is when people who no nothing about virology, immunology, or even biology are so damn sure that virology is B.S. My husband was not "taken in", long ago he was very upset with alot of what "science" was telling the public, he questions everything. You're right, you don't know him. But instead of asking "what does your husband think about germ theory, Terrain theory" etc.? you start assuming things about him. How open is YOUR mind?
Well, your response isn't surprising. It's the kind of knee-jerk, angry posturing I've seen millions of times by now... Germ Theory by its very nature cannot exist alongside Terrain Theory. And when people who don't know me say things like "people who no [sic] nothing about virology, immunology, or even biology..." it's a very clear attempt to "strike back," even though I made it very clear I wasn't trying to insult your husband. But this is a very common reaction with people who feel threatened by mere ideas that cause them to defend a dead idea...
How could you possibly know what I know or don't know? LOL Are you so psychic you can read my mind and everything in it? No, I didn't think so.
Well, I tried to be respectful and polite and you choose to be rude and defensive. Okay, you're free to do/be whatever... But I don't have to agree with you, or praise your husband for being part of a nearly-200 year scam. Cheers.
I am astounded at how vehemently people defend the "invisible enemy" ideas. That's not to say I do not believe we can't be POISONED by direct injection with just about anything. But I am STILL waiting for PROOF that bad health is NOT the PRECISE reason people succumb to "infections" - RATHER THAN the mere existence of "particles" which we are told by the vax pushers we must be injected for, or else we shall perish.
What if we are ALWAYS in contact with endless billions of strange particles at all times, any one of which could be BLAMED (by vax pushers) for whatever sickness is rampant at the moment, (and for which the vaccines are already primed for market) but the ONLY time a person gets sick, is when they are in POOR HEALTH, (toxins, bad nutrition, etc.)????
I know it might sound impossible for a "virologist" to believe, but bad health (in the 1st instance) might be the ONLY reason anyone gets sick at all. Of course, that's not a good business model now is it? I mean, if people understood how to maintain such good health that they just never got sick, (no matter how many billions of particles they come into contact with;-) what on earth would a "virologist" do for a living?
The last time I checked, the only way for a virologist to make a good living was to work for PHARMA. So this would explain the desperation to keep people OFF the path of preventing disease via GOOD HEALTH, and instead keep them under the pharma spell of: "It's this particle that's killing you, and NOT the things we keep injecting directly into you."
Fwiw, this comes across as very transparent, passive agressive gaslighting. Your previous response opens in a condescending, dismissive tone ("What you're saying here isn't proof of anything. It's just talking..."), and even seems defensive. Your statements about her husband are also unambiguously derisive. You appear to think (though, I'm not so psychic, either) that simply saying, "no offense!" in some form after each insult absolves you of responsibility for their reaction, but as a neutral 3rd party, I promise you it's far from convincing.
I dive pretty deep into the world of conpiracy, be it related to weather modification, covert gov/mil programs, elite secret societies, satanic ritual abuse, prediluvian civilization, ancient megalithic structures, flat-earth/firmament theories.. I haven't delved deep enough to come up with a solid conclusion yet on the debate between germ theory and terrain theory, but if I happened to be like most people and base my decision on the people representing the unorthodox position, this exchange, and the many others like it I've seen involving proponents of terrain theory, would make it difficult to justify researching any further.
The comparison to flat earth theorists (not the theory itself) is an apt one, if only because of the familiar self-assured egoism that is practically a requirement of adherence to flat earth theory. And Joy's approval of your attitude (the main motivator for me taking the time and effort to type all this out) strikes me as telling, and cost her a great deal of credibility with me as someone who has only just come across her substack and found the first two articles I've read so far otherwise very interesting.
To whomever it may concern; do with that information what you will. I am unlikely to respond, unless for some reason someone has a genuine question that I can answer. I write this simply as a curious skeptic who fancies himself as a bit of an expert in thinking good about people and words, or something like that.
It's not our "anti-virus idea" - we have nothing to defend or prove. Do you have "anti-unicorn ideas"? It was virologists who invented the virus idea (hypothesis) now we are waiting to see their evidence.
We have seen the Vero cell cultures run with no controls. You can see exactly the same particles (round with "spikes") by adding trypsin enzyme etc directly to monkey kidney Vero cells. You don't need to add any "virus".
I would like to see any documentation of a virus being purified DIRECTLY from a diseased person and then used to infect another person. If there are trillions of these particles in a sample of sputum that should not be difficult. If 3 of Koch's 4 postulates could be satisfied then we are getting somewhere. Ask hubby if he would like to take the "virology challenge" c/o Dr. Tom Cowan - they are looking for virologists, cheers
Quite correct! By definition, the virus must be proven to be the CAUSE of disease, (pathogen) in order to be considered a "virus." And yet, they've yet to prove causation via any of these particles which they claim we must be "immunized" against. Maybe, just maybe, we are exposed to zillions of particles every day, but we only get "sick" because we're eating wrong or have been POISONED?
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100 years of killing, coming to light. Glad I am alive to see it, painful as this all is. I had crazy bad post jab nosebleeds as a kid, (1970), Brother got mono after flu jabs (1975). Mom got shingles after flu jabs, then cancer. (1980's). Sister became sterile after birth control pills (1980's). Aunt who got all flu jabs, brain cancer at 60. (1990s). Done.
No injections EVER again, none of them! We are all healing from what they did to us, but the fools are back asking for solutions from the very people who destroyed their health in the 1st place, PHARMA!
I have ALL of the same stories about my own family members. Have been watching them drop like flies. And I KNOW what caused their deaths.
Dewd, I been on that pointy step for long enough I don't even NEED the buckle no mo. Shit is gonna be shit. And you know, it's hard on those left behind, but the ones who go will be ULTIMATELY red-pilled and cheering for us from the Other Side.
i am quite sure i would be ded too, only avoided the jab because my cells were shouting NOnoNO....sorry I am so hard to cheer up these days, thanks for you sentiments Libor. I am glad when I see your posts...best
Are you saying it isn't healthy to inject heavy metals, anti-freeze, cancer causing and t-cell suppression substances in our bodies cause my health insurance strongly suggest otherwise.
If the "experts" tell you it's good to inject anti-freeze, well, I guess we must "trust" THEIR scientific FRAUD;-)
Pharma launders their bribe $$ (incentives) for the LYING and MURDEROUS doctors through the insurance companies. It would look too obvious if pharma gave too much of the $ directly to the doctors.
I have switched my focus over to the elections, realizing that every single tyranny we are now facing is a direct result of the fact we are not a self-governing people;-)
@Joy, a few constructive criticisms of your interesting and important paper:
1. Main comment: in a footnote in the main report you state: "The one exposure that raised associated risks dramatically, in every sector where it could adequately be measured, was the maternal vaccine, in many cases raising the associated risks well above the National averages for the 99% post-birth vaccinated population." 30% (just MV + K-shot) vs 27% (vaccinated population) being the figures. This is surely nonsense. The 99% post-birth vaccinated population will also have had maternal vaccine(s) & K-shot, so the statement implies that there is basically no additional risk of post-birth vaccinations if you have already had MV & K-shot, and that it might slightly reduce the risk from 30% to 27%! I think the problem here is your 27% figure is a completely different source of data (CDC) than your 30% figure (your surveys). So this comparison lacks validity. It would indeed be a very interesting finding if such an overwhelming majority of vaccination risk is confined to maternal or K-shot exposure, but that seems to have a lot of sense standing against it, and your data is not rightly used in making that conclusion. The paper would be considerably more useful if you also acquired equivalent survey data for the vaccinated population. Then some light might begin to be shed on this question.
2. Related to the above, this creates internal contradictions in your first chart (https://tinyurl.com/5dvt97z6), where the unvaccinated group actually have a subgroup that are worse off than the vaccinated group. This needs some explanation.
3. Table 2 in the paper presents figures for only one chronic condition which exactly match those in the full report (chapter 14) for *at least* one chronic condition. There is quite a difference between having only one condition, and at least one condition. Which is it?
4. In your main page of survey charts (https://tinyurl.com/5dvt97z6) the second chart (adults) has the first blue bar as bigger than the yellow bar that sits atop it. It should be the other way round according to the numbers to the right (12.5 vs 4.49).
5. Much more useful and understandable to readers to stick with a consistent set of metrics rather than 3 sets of slightly different metrics in Chapter 9, 10 and 14 of full report (preferably just using the full dataset rather than just USA). There are nuances of distinction between *A and/or B* and *A with or without B* which just add unnecessary complexity. I don't see the need and it makes processing the data for the reader unnecessarily difficult, with no obvious return.
Anyhow, I don't intend these criticisms to detract from some very useful data in the paper, report and charts, but perhaps you can make some updates to address some of these.
"Nonsense"?? These are the numbers as they appeared in the data from 2020. We see clear signals that all rates of diseases and disorders in the 99.74% vaccine-exposed population (50% of which were ALSO exposed during pregnancy) are MUCH higher than the last stale national published reports (2017 and earlier) we were able to obtain for the comparisons in 2020.
The other point you are missing, is that at the time of the study (2020) only 50% of pregnancies were vaccinated in the U.S. Your presumption that pregnancy vaccines could not possibly be any more destructive than post-birth vaccines is just WRONG. It is WIDELY understood that while a baby is developing in the womb, it is MUCH MORE VULNERABLE to toxins. WHERE is your evidence that this has somehow been disproven? Oh wait, there is none. The numbers show us that vaccines during pregnancy appear to be the MOST dangerous, for the offspring that is.
Literally ALL disorders and diseases in the U.S. population are exploding at this time, and based upon the rates of increase already established between 2010 and 2020, the trajectory is DISMALL for the survival of this Nation beyond 2030.
Amazing to me you have time to see if you can discredit a solid study dataset (with ZERO conflicts of interest) when you could be going after the so-called "science" of the fraudsters who are maiming and murdering our Nation's people at this time.
RFK, Jr., has been telling us this now for quite awhile, but very few are listening, not to mention that he has been denigrated and cancelled so much that few know he's out there. But the data he describes are pretty clear; before mass vaccination of children, the U.S. had the healthiest kids on the planet. Now we have some of the sickest, and the trend line skyrockets from the late 80s to the early 90s, shortly after the '86 law gave pharma blanket immunity. Before covid, kids were getting 72 doses of 18 different vaccines before 18, 72. Newborns are inoculated against hepatitis B when they're born, and the chances that they will ever come in contact with the disease are almost nil. Small wonder they're all so sick. Kids have resilient immune systems that don't need the help of vaccines, even with all the toxins in our air, water, and food.
You are quite right. The entirely unvaccinated (across 48 states) are exposed to the same other crap that hurts us all. However, your risk of even any mild health conditions drops down to about 2.64% if you avoid all vaccines, K-shot, and/or pregnancy vaccine exposure.
The study also exposed how much worse your health is (long term) if you are exposed to vaccines during pregnancy, and if you get the "vitamin" K-shot, which is also full of horrid toxins.
A recent dailymail article referring to the hotez versus RFK Jr argument over vaccines claims vaccine harms and autism have been debunked. So whatever shill “journalists” that the daily mail uses are clearly biased against the idea that vaccines are not safe.
The propaganda continues unabated. Thank God you are bringing actual evidence. All other sources make general unsubstantiated claims.
True! The CDC was recently forced to REMOVE (from their website) their false statement that vaccines do not cause autism. Not ONE of their own studies "debunked" the fact that vaccines cause autism. And the secret vaccine court has paid out TONS of $$$ based upon the fact vaccines are PROVEN to cause BRAIN DAMAGE. Even the vaccine inserts admit that these products can cause "brain inflammation" and other nervous system disorders.
Autism is BRAIN DAMAGE. It's not a personality disorder;-)
Totally agree. I honestly never heard of autism before the 2000s. I also didn’t realize that the 2 or 3 shots I received as a child have multiplied drastically. This racket is beyond shameless. I just subscribed to you today. Wish I had found you sooner.
Thanks for subscribing. I only write or post when it's something sort of big, and something not everyone else is covering anyway. My next posts will be about getting our "self-governance" in place. All of this tyranny (and state-sponsored MURDER) is a direct result of the fact we are not a self-governing people. I understand what I must do next. Godspeed, Joy
Needles are No Go.
My virologist husband (with 55 yrs research) agrees with you and salutes you for knowing this!
He's his daddy's son. Now if he could just get the red pill that viruses are not real...
But I love that guy. He's a keeper.
I understand, from Dr. Sam Bailey, that it is possible RFK, Jr. is becoming open to that reality. Makes sense; he's an open minded kind of guy who opened himself up to the realities of the vaccine industry and abandoned the work he really loved to do what he's doing now. He's a gem, all right; would that we could clone him and make more of him.
Love RFK Jr's work.
Only thing that stumps me is that he pushes the climate tax, (great reset) and in a recent article about rising deaths (after the vax rollout) he said some of the deaths are from "climate change" - ????
Very strange fellow.
Yeah, I mean talk about someone born, raised, and fed his whole life DEMOCRAT...
Surely his entire circle of Others are Dems, and all their parents and kids are Dems, and wow, talk about having to RedPill your EVERYTHING... !!!
But I think Murkans are really really stumpy thinkers, it's EITHER Dem or Repub, that's ALL you have to choose from, we CAN'T have anything else, and blah blah blah...
The two-party system is utter and total BULLSHIT and anyone who's ever done much research at all will know that. I've been an "Independent" for decades, and I still have only TWO choices... It's all so damn stooopid... ;)
lol Well, he does have offspring! ^_^
You know, undoing what we think of as "common knowledge" is not easy for most people. It IS a bridge, when we start to question, to just question EVERYTHING, which is what happened to me. And now, it's not difficult when I come across things I used to think of as "true," and now find them to be not true... I think many people like to feel that most things are "settled," as it were. I am losing that need very very quickly.
The awakening has begun. I swallowed for first big red pills back in 2001- but I did already know vaccines are bad. Just didn't know HOW bad until I did the nationwide study.
Right?
I was pink pilling for decades. The really red one was in March 2020 when I heard a doctor talking about HCQ being pulled from shelves and even DOCTORS couldn't get it... I said, WHAT?!!?!?!?!? Ding, ding, ding! And just look at me now! Having the time of my life on barely ANY money, no job since over a year ago, and... well... maybe not THE time of my life, lol. But I've become MUCH better informed. ^_^
Sorry, but we have electronic micrographs ( photographs) of viruses. The guy who came up with that idea is NOT a virologist and doesn't seem to know much about them. It's another one of those flat-earther things IMO. I'm married to a virologist with 55 yrs research under his belt and he says that anti-virus idea is nonsense and can explain and prove it. Just my 2 cents.
My own view of this is: Evidence that a particle exists, is not equivalent to evidence that this particular particle is what is causing disease. I do not think people are actually arguing that these particles do not exist. Seems they are mostly arguing there is scant evidence for these particles as cause of disease.
The strawman argument is that proof of the existence of the particle means it is what causes disease. And anyone who questions this logic is told they must b flat earthers.
For instance, we were told the CV-19 "virus" was causing disease, and that the spike protein was harmless. So let's all get injected with the spike proteins to prevent the virus.
What you're saying here is not proof of anything. It's just talking, or typing. I've heard very similar "arguments" many, many times, AND I've read articles and listened to experts, MANY experts, over the past three years, including virologists, who disagree with your opinion, with science to back them up. The isolation process in virology is a joke. That your husband is a virologist makes no difference to me, and I'm not denigrating him, but it's the same kind of brainwashing that oncologists receive... Pharma trained, pharma brained. Catchy, but I am not trying to be mean...
"Viruses" have never been photographed, and "micrographs" mean nothing at all; there are only "in silico" pictures of "viruses" and that means computer-generated. These tiny little things that are called "viruses" are far more likely to be exosomes, which are created by the BODY, and do not "attack" or come from outside the body, but are there to help the body clean up toxified cells-- like garbage trucks that carry away the trash.
Your husband is far from alone in being trained to think these exosomes are "viruses" that are long accused of being agents of disease... It's been almost 200 years of Germ Theory, but it's finally being sorted out--- one good thing about "Covid," which is simply a bioweapon-- it's patented. Your husband has 55 years of belief in something that was a deliberate mistake because of Big Pharma's laser-focused drive for SALES. The Terrain Theory is much more reasonable, and probably if he studied that with an open mind, he'd find it as exciting and fascinating as those who are studying that... There is SO MUCH we still don't know. Virology made sense in its time, to SOME. That it would be pounced upon and mandated to all students without even a mention of Terrain Theory tells me a lot about Pharmacology... and greed. And again, I'm not blaming your husband, I don't know him! I'd guess he was taken in like all the rest of those who didn't question Germ Theory. The questioners were thrown out and ridiculed. Sort of like now, with people who can't see they're being fooled by Bill Gates, et al.
Thank you! Very well done.
Thanks. I'm getting a LOT of practice these days, lol. *sob*
Cheers, m'dear.
Just a note - my husband is anything but brainwashed. He also has a very open mind. I've looked into Terrain theory, I know about germ theory, etc. and I see no reason why germ theory can't be true right along with terrain theory. What I find sad is when people who no nothing about virology, immunology, or even biology are so damn sure that virology is B.S. My husband was not "taken in", long ago he was very upset with alot of what "science" was telling the public, he questions everything. You're right, you don't know him. But instead of asking "what does your husband think about germ theory, Terrain theory" etc.? you start assuming things about him. How open is YOUR mind?
Well, your response isn't surprising. It's the kind of knee-jerk, angry posturing I've seen millions of times by now... Germ Theory by its very nature cannot exist alongside Terrain Theory. And when people who don't know me say things like "people who no [sic] nothing about virology, immunology, or even biology..." it's a very clear attempt to "strike back," even though I made it very clear I wasn't trying to insult your husband. But this is a very common reaction with people who feel threatened by mere ideas that cause them to defend a dead idea...
How could you possibly know what I know or don't know? LOL Are you so psychic you can read my mind and everything in it? No, I didn't think so.
Well, I tried to be respectful and polite and you choose to be rude and defensive. Okay, you're free to do/be whatever... But I don't have to agree with you, or praise your husband for being part of a nearly-200 year scam. Cheers.
I am astounded at how vehemently people defend the "invisible enemy" ideas. That's not to say I do not believe we can't be POISONED by direct injection with just about anything. But I am STILL waiting for PROOF that bad health is NOT the PRECISE reason people succumb to "infections" - RATHER THAN the mere existence of "particles" which we are told by the vax pushers we must be injected for, or else we shall perish.
What if we are ALWAYS in contact with endless billions of strange particles at all times, any one of which could be BLAMED (by vax pushers) for whatever sickness is rampant at the moment, (and for which the vaccines are already primed for market) but the ONLY time a person gets sick, is when they are in POOR HEALTH, (toxins, bad nutrition, etc.)????
I know it might sound impossible for a "virologist" to believe, but bad health (in the 1st instance) might be the ONLY reason anyone gets sick at all. Of course, that's not a good business model now is it? I mean, if people understood how to maintain such good health that they just never got sick, (no matter how many billions of particles they come into contact with;-) what on earth would a "virologist" do for a living?
The last time I checked, the only way for a virologist to make a good living was to work for PHARMA. So this would explain the desperation to keep people OFF the path of preventing disease via GOOD HEALTH, and instead keep them under the pharma spell of: "It's this particle that's killing you, and NOT the things we keep injecting directly into you."
Fwiw, this comes across as very transparent, passive agressive gaslighting. Your previous response opens in a condescending, dismissive tone ("What you're saying here isn't proof of anything. It's just talking..."), and even seems defensive. Your statements about her husband are also unambiguously derisive. You appear to think (though, I'm not so psychic, either) that simply saying, "no offense!" in some form after each insult absolves you of responsibility for their reaction, but as a neutral 3rd party, I promise you it's far from convincing.
I dive pretty deep into the world of conpiracy, be it related to weather modification, covert gov/mil programs, elite secret societies, satanic ritual abuse, prediluvian civilization, ancient megalithic structures, flat-earth/firmament theories.. I haven't delved deep enough to come up with a solid conclusion yet on the debate between germ theory and terrain theory, but if I happened to be like most people and base my decision on the people representing the unorthodox position, this exchange, and the many others like it I've seen involving proponents of terrain theory, would make it difficult to justify researching any further.
The comparison to flat earth theorists (not the theory itself) is an apt one, if only because of the familiar self-assured egoism that is practically a requirement of adherence to flat earth theory. And Joy's approval of your attitude (the main motivator for me taking the time and effort to type all this out) strikes me as telling, and cost her a great deal of credibility with me as someone who has only just come across her substack and found the first two articles I've read so far otherwise very interesting.
To whomever it may concern; do with that information what you will. I am unlikely to respond, unless for some reason someone has a genuine question that I can answer. I write this simply as a curious skeptic who fancies himself as a bit of an expert in thinking good about people and words, or something like that.
Cheers from the future
It's not our "anti-virus idea" - we have nothing to defend or prove. Do you have "anti-unicorn ideas"? It was virologists who invented the virus idea (hypothesis) now we are waiting to see their evidence.
We have seen the Vero cell cultures run with no controls. You can see exactly the same particles (round with "spikes") by adding trypsin enzyme etc directly to monkey kidney Vero cells. You don't need to add any "virus".
I would like to see any documentation of a virus being purified DIRECTLY from a diseased person and then used to infect another person. If there are trillions of these particles in a sample of sputum that should not be difficult. If 3 of Koch's 4 postulates could be satisfied then we are getting somewhere. Ask hubby if he would like to take the "virology challenge" c/o Dr. Tom Cowan - they are looking for virologists, cheers
Quite correct! By definition, the virus must be proven to be the CAUSE of disease, (pathogen) in order to be considered a "virus." And yet, they've yet to prove causation via any of these particles which they claim we must be "immunized" against. Maybe, just maybe, we are exposed to zillions of particles every day, but we only get "sick" because we're eating wrong or have been POISONED?
100 years of killing, coming to light. Glad I am alive to see it, painful as this all is. I had crazy bad post jab nosebleeds as a kid, (1970), Brother got mono after flu jabs (1975). Mom got shingles after flu jabs, then cancer. (1980's). Sister became sterile after birth control pills (1980's). Aunt who got all flu jabs, brain cancer at 60. (1990s). Done.
No injections EVER again, none of them! We are all healing from what they did to us, but the fools are back asking for solutions from the very people who destroyed their health in the 1st place, PHARMA!
I have ALL of the same stories about my own family members. Have been watching them drop like flies. And I KNOW what caused their deaths.
I'm expected my family members to drop any minute... They KEEP GOING BACK FOR MORE.
And I tried, I tried to tell them, even though they're being HIDEOUS, I still tried.
Oh, well, you know? One of the main tasks in this life for me is to learn to Let Go....
MANY cannot be saved, and will not be here a year from now. Hard to take. Buckle up.
Dewd, I been on that pointy step for long enough I don't even NEED the buckle no mo. Shit is gonna be shit. And you know, it's hard on those left behind, but the ones who go will be ULTIMATELY red-pilled and cheering for us from the Other Side.
:( I'm so glad you're not very jabular, my dear pal. What a relief!!
"Jabular"- very nice.
Ta. They don't call me the WH for nuttin'. ;)
i am quite sure i would be ded too, only avoided the jab because my cells were shouting NOnoNO....sorry I am so hard to cheer up these days, thanks for you sentiments Libor. I am glad when I see your posts...best
Are you saying it isn't healthy to inject heavy metals, anti-freeze, cancer causing and t-cell suppression substances in our bodies cause my health insurance strongly suggest otherwise.
If the "experts" tell you it's good to inject anti-freeze, well, I guess we must "trust" THEIR scientific FRAUD;-)
Pharma launders their bribe $$ (incentives) for the LYING and MURDEROUS doctors through the insurance companies. It would look too obvious if pharma gave too much of the $ directly to the doctors.
Thanks Joy....somehow I missed your website. It has now been added in. Your paper I had captured.
https://totalityofevidence.com/un-vaccinated-the-control-group/
THANK YOU!
I have switched my focus over to the elections, realizing that every single tyranny we are now facing is a direct result of the fact we are not a self-governing people;-)
Nothing fixed without fixing that.
Godspeed,
Joy
Totally agree
@Joy, a few constructive criticisms of your interesting and important paper:
1. Main comment: in a footnote in the main report you state: "The one exposure that raised associated risks dramatically, in every sector where it could adequately be measured, was the maternal vaccine, in many cases raising the associated risks well above the National averages for the 99% post-birth vaccinated population." 30% (just MV + K-shot) vs 27% (vaccinated population) being the figures. This is surely nonsense. The 99% post-birth vaccinated population will also have had maternal vaccine(s) & K-shot, so the statement implies that there is basically no additional risk of post-birth vaccinations if you have already had MV & K-shot, and that it might slightly reduce the risk from 30% to 27%! I think the problem here is your 27% figure is a completely different source of data (CDC) than your 30% figure (your surveys). So this comparison lacks validity. It would indeed be a very interesting finding if such an overwhelming majority of vaccination risk is confined to maternal or K-shot exposure, but that seems to have a lot of sense standing against it, and your data is not rightly used in making that conclusion. The paper would be considerably more useful if you also acquired equivalent survey data for the vaccinated population. Then some light might begin to be shed on this question.
2. Related to the above, this creates internal contradictions in your first chart (https://tinyurl.com/5dvt97z6), where the unvaccinated group actually have a subgroup that are worse off than the vaccinated group. This needs some explanation.
3. Table 2 in the paper presents figures for only one chronic condition which exactly match those in the full report (chapter 14) for *at least* one chronic condition. There is quite a difference between having only one condition, and at least one condition. Which is it?
4. In your main page of survey charts (https://tinyurl.com/5dvt97z6) the second chart (adults) has the first blue bar as bigger than the yellow bar that sits atop it. It should be the other way round according to the numbers to the right (12.5 vs 4.49).
5. Much more useful and understandable to readers to stick with a consistent set of metrics rather than 3 sets of slightly different metrics in Chapter 9, 10 and 14 of full report (preferably just using the full dataset rather than just USA). There are nuances of distinction between *A and/or B* and *A with or without B* which just add unnecessary complexity. I don't see the need and it makes processing the data for the reader unnecessarily difficult, with no obvious return.
Anyhow, I don't intend these criticisms to detract from some very useful data in the paper, report and charts, but perhaps you can make some updates to address some of these.
"Nonsense"?? These are the numbers as they appeared in the data from 2020. We see clear signals that all rates of diseases and disorders in the 99.74% vaccine-exposed population (50% of which were ALSO exposed during pregnancy) are MUCH higher than the last stale national published reports (2017 and earlier) we were able to obtain for the comparisons in 2020.
The other point you are missing, is that at the time of the study (2020) only 50% of pregnancies were vaccinated in the U.S. Your presumption that pregnancy vaccines could not possibly be any more destructive than post-birth vaccines is just WRONG. It is WIDELY understood that while a baby is developing in the womb, it is MUCH MORE VULNERABLE to toxins. WHERE is your evidence that this has somehow been disproven? Oh wait, there is none. The numbers show us that vaccines during pregnancy appear to be the MOST dangerous, for the offspring that is.
Literally ALL disorders and diseases in the U.S. population are exploding at this time, and based upon the rates of increase already established between 2010 and 2020, the trajectory is DISMALL for the survival of this Nation beyond 2030.
Amazing to me you have time to see if you can discredit a solid study dataset (with ZERO conflicts of interest) when you could be going after the so-called "science" of the fraudsters who are maiming and murdering our Nation's people at this time.
I responded to you over on Chris Exley's stack. I think you have got the wrong end of the stick.